New order... Are you saying Obama invented the interwebs??!!
pbrow, I made no such suggestion that obama invented internet; not sure how you got that. I made a general statement based on the poster's comments.
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Family fun
by redvip2000 inwent to over to family gathering at a cousin's home in upstate ny over the weekend.
in the late afternoon, several bet-hell constructions workers arrived (some family, others just friends), after a nice day of slavery at the construction site.
endless bragging ensued while we gathered around a bonfire, from how "the construction is going forward in seamless way", using "the best techniques and materials in construction" to the fact that the obama care website doesn't work properly and how it's "complete garbage when compared to the jw.org.".
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Family fun
by redvip2000 inwent to over to family gathering at a cousin's home in upstate ny over the weekend.
in the late afternoon, several bet-hell constructions workers arrived (some family, others just friends), after a nice day of slavery at the construction site.
endless bragging ensued while we gathered around a bonfire, from how "the construction is going forward in seamless way", using "the best techniques and materials in construction" to the fact that the obama care website doesn't work properly and how it's "complete garbage when compared to the jw.org.".
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Your Religion Is Dispicable
by freemindfade inhttp://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/by-region/world/jehovahs-witnesses-in-prison-2/.
the witnesses make reference to article 18 of the international covenant on civil and political rights, in reference to their not being able to practice their religion in certain places.
how despicable when (in my mind) their policy of disfellowshipping, apostasy, etc, causes them coerce members to keep this religion.
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My Mother Died Two Weeks Ago
by Perry innone of my jehovah's witness relatives called to tell me or my family.
just found out this morning.
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Is disfellowshipping a loving arrangement?
by mana11 ini read this post, i voted and the ones saying it is a loving arrangement is over 68%, i am mind blown - what fool can think it is a loving arrangement.
lets teach them that is it not thought of as loving...your chance to let these people know if dis-fellowshipping is a loving arrangement!..
http://www.jehovahs-witness.org/is-disfellowshipping-a-loving-arrangement/.
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Disfellowship was a loving arrangement for me. It let me realize that I am in fact a sinner, and not portray this stupid "I am better than them" attitude. Because of that loving arrangement, never rejoined the org, instead went to school, which greatly improved economic situation. My child received needed medical care at birth, including blood transfusion, no elders at hospital harassing me and adding to an already stressful situation. Yes, my son is alive and well because of watchtower’s loving arrangement. Not around toxic JW relatives, have more to spend on myself, as they no longer ask for financial assistance. I would love to thank the Watchtower for the great successes I have had in life, all because of that loving arrangement called disfellowshipment -
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So sick of the abuse...
by iwasblind ini am still serving as an elder but just hanging in there.
i think their quandry is that they don't see me out in the field, but when they need encouragement and decent prayer they come to me.. i just got off the phone to this poor sister who i have only met twice.
she is not even in my congregation (her sister is).
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Thanks for sharing, and showing genuine concern for someone in need. Quite interesting to learn that some elders actually care about the wellbeing of others. In past jw life, saw them as men drunk with power; who believed they were semi-gods. -
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New member
by New Order inhello, i am a new member.
i grew up in the jw religion; however i am not an active jw.
have been visiting this site for about 3 yrs, and have become quite attached to it.
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Hello, I am a new member.
I grew up in the JW religion; however I am not an active JW.
Have been visiting this site for about 3 yrs, and have become quite attached to it. Check it constantly and received a ton of helpful information from your various posts.
Background –from the Caribbean, now living in Canada 11+ yrs.
I grew up with my grandmother (still alive) and her spouse (deceased) who were watchtower fanatics. Life as a child was totally watchtower. Their home was considered a kingdom hall. They (grandparents and children) were considered the publishers. Sunday meetings were held in the living room, as well as all the other meetings during the week. Circuit overseer would come to the home (twice per yr. I believe). Grandparents were not able to convert anyone in the community with all the hours they spent trying to sell books. They usually scrape to find money to send in to the “Society” to pay for mags and books. The home was overrun with mags/books, packed everywhere.
Grandparents were generally abusive and thought by constantly trying to beat the devil out of the children was worship and pleasing God. The devil was in every nook and cranny, just waiting to get us. As a child not allowed to read any non JW books, no play, no friends, no Friday school, as these things were all from satan. (On Fridays, school would have activities, such as word/board games, or other outdoor activities; participating in these activities was a sin). Had to stay up late to study watchtower books and dragged out of bed at day break when the Roosters’ crow, for more worship and daily text. Grew up in an environment of constant fear. Grandparents were poor (farmers), did not have much, education was limited, so they were easily fooled by the paradise story. Grandma and her adult children still waiting on the promised paradise, and have not made any retirement plans because “Jehovah will provide”.
At age 9 was sent to live with my mother and step-dad, another bunch of JW fanatics. The abuse was worse. Ended up receiving medical attention twice due to abuse. Eventually ran away at 17, after a rather brutal attack from my mother. Interestingly, while this abuse was going on, which was public knowledge, my JW relatives solution was that I should pray more and read the bible. No elder got involved, they did not care about me showing up at meetings with bruises, a black eye or swollen lips (some “sisters” would look at me and gossip about it, but no action). However, when I was about 15 my step-father told the elders I had a boyfriend (which was not true), and I was promptly taken to back room, and being interrogated by this creepy old elder, asking personal questions.
I ran away to live with my father and his family (non JWs) and you would think that I finally got rid of this JW thing - Of course not! Instead, I found the nearest kingdom hall and started attending. My step- mom would criticize and say it was a cult (first time hearing the term used to describe JW), I cried and said she was making fun of Jehovah. In hindsight, should have asked her what she meant by cult. I was really brainwashed
So, I have been out of the watchtower 20 yrs now, was dis-fellowshipped. That was a very disturbing experience. Had to give explicit details to two elders. One elder decided to discuss my situation with his brother (a non-witness) who works for the same company as I did, and of course I was confronted at work about it by this individual. Well, I was young and naive so I just cried. The other party to my sin was “privately reproved” (elder’s son). I understand that to mean his sin was more tolerable to Jehovah while mine was deserving of death. Elders told me Jehovah hated me and would kill me soon at the big A, so I went home and cried (I cried a lot).
Attempted to go back to the meetings, but gave up as I became depressed by the shunning and non-stop stares. Never researched the religion and there was always this feeling that it was true religion.
Currently living in Calgary with my spouse (never a JW) and son. JW ladies usually come by my home (K/hall nearby). I would take the mags and give them donation. Apparently, they decided to send elder to my home. And that’s what it took to open my eyes. Being out for so long I was not up to date with the new teachings.
Asked elder about the 1914 generation that will not pass away. He said the generation teaching was changed and it is now overlapping. He did not really explain what that meant (may be he did and I did not understand), but stated that when the bible talks about generation, it does not mean what we all know generation to mean; in fact, he said “God contacted the people at bethel and explained what generation meant”. What!!!! I nearly fell off the chair.
I also wanted to know where the 1914 date came from, and he came back to my home with a big book (maybe blue or green) tried to explain but I did not get it. Russell, he said, got the date 607 - 1914 through “divine knowledge” and it was in bible examiner. ”
I was aware of the Candice Conti case from the media, and asked about it. He said it was not true, there is no abuse and satan was using these people to attack organization.
In the meantime I started “googling” things and came across this site, JWfacts and others.
There was a media story about the Mayan calendar implying that world ending in 2012, so this elder and wife came to my home all hyped up and ready to criticize this end time prediction. Started reading scriptures about what Jehovah will do to these false prophets. So I asked if the same fate will happen to JWs for 1975 prediction. That’s when things fell of the rail. They got so angry, accused me of calling them false prophets, and going on internet to read apostate stuff. A shouting match ensued and they left in a huff, never to return. No one comes by with mags any more, however someone calling himself Mike leaves letters address to “homeowner” and it is about the big A coming soon and need to get to K/hall to be saved from destruction.
This was a long story. Thanks for your time.